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  FOX News    The Five    News/Business.  (2013)  

    December 7, 2013
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hello, everyone, i'm kimberly guifoyle along with dana per ringy, eric bolling and greg >> we have a jammed packed show tonight. president obama pushing income distribution. a politician appears to blame jewish people for the knockout game. and the annual christmas lights package all coming your way but first nelson mandela will be laid to rest in south africa on december 15th. president and mrs. obama will be there to pay their respects. he just wrapped up an interview with former president bill
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clinton who shared his memories with the late leader. >> he talked to me in that t prison cell as we grabbed the bars and looked out together about what it was like. s and i said tell me how this changed you. how did you give up 27 of the he best years of your life and come out a betterer man than when yo went in? . he said tihe realized they cou take everything from me except my mind and my heart. those things i had to give them and he decided not to give them away. he was free before he was released. >> tributes have been pouring in over the last 24 hours. >> we have lost one of the mosta influential, courageous and profoundly good human beings anu of us will share time with on this earth. >> it's extremely sad and tragic news. we're just mireminded what an extraordinary and inspiring mana
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nelson mandela was and my thoughts and prayers are with him and his family right now. >> today is a costolo. a costo low. a low, low. but he used his mind, body and suffering to end the political l apartheid system. >> juan williams spent time with mandela after he was released from prison in 1990. he joins us tonight. great to see you. you must have a lot of thoughtso and reflections about this great man that you got to know. in >> do you know what was interesting to me, and everyone will be fascinated that he was interested in us. the world drew inspiration from nelson mandela. when i was with him, it was i funny. it was like he was interviewing me about american politics and the american civil rights movement. in south africisa the majority the population is black and hert white. he wanted to know how did a
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minority end up achieving civilh rights. he's fasecinated with the founding fathers. it's something mandela also does. but also, citizenship. the whole idea that you have rights in the united states.uth remember, blacks in south africa had none of that. so we were inspiring to nelson t mandela. >> i'm certain of that. was there anything that really surprised you? i'm sure you prepare add head of time and researched him and gota to know the man through what you were able to read and hear through other personal ane anecdotes. >> i said you are a beacon to the world in terms of the sacrifice and 27 years in jail. standing up for principal: he started laughing. i was taken aback. i thought he's not understanding this american guy, you know? but he said no.wa it's when he was growing up all he wanted to do was rebel
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against his parents. hewa wanted to get out of the b tribal situation. he was like a prince and go to the big city of johannesburg. he wanted to box and learn poetry and a western style education. especially this holiday season we forget what we have. this guy was willing to do anything for it and rebels. ed against his parents.he he didn't even see he was goings to become this worldwide legend. >> dana and bob both have questions. we'll begin with dana. >> i'm curious about how it wast that you were plucked out of the crowd. of all the journalists that were there. how did it come to be that you were chosen in order to get a k chance to talk to him. you worked it a little bit but l would love to hear that story and the second question i have is what is the toughest question that he asked you in those a, interviews? >> i like t the way you put it. you know i worked it and i did e work it, my friend. what happened was everybody was being turned away.th everybody wanted time with h
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nelson mandela after he got out and here he is at his home but what happened was i had writte a book about the american civil rights movement eyes on the prize.ou turns out he read the book before it became a tv series or anything. so hent wanted to meet the auth. they just put me in a line to to shake hands but i wouldn't let o go of the guy. i said i want to talk to you. i'm from washington. the united states of america. and finally he said well, you can write. if if you can write some thank you notes for me you can stick around and i'll talk to you when i can. w it wasn't like a direct rvie interview. it was like, what about this where we sit down and have a t meal when i'm talking to him or he's meeting his grand kids. >> what a great experience. bob, you had personal experience as well with nelson mandela on behalf of work you did. >> yeah, we're raising money for the mandela charities and the tu united states raised a lot of money for it.c but juan, let me ask you, i e rememberco vividly when you get
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the commencement address at my son's school a few years ago an you talked about mandela. and i have never seen a group of then 17 to 18-year-olds spell bound about what you were sayint about mandela. they didn't know much about mandela. i am wondering if we think this generation that never saw or heard much about nelson mandela will now because we will get the inspiration of his words. >> even if you think about our history, dr. king, for my kids, a lot of that might as well be george washington and the cherry tree. it just -- they think it's history. but they suddenly get the sense of what was apartheid, i don't think they have any clue. it's like water fountains in ar this country? you guys were bringing up old history.he but there might be lessons whero they say this is what nelson s
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mandela stood up for. this is what it means to be someone that acts on principle and sacrifices for the greater good. dana was asking me what was the most difficult question i got from mandela and it was one about do you know who you are ne and where you're from?i i said what do you mean? do you know where your people came from? do you know where you are from c inam africa?'re and i'm like, i don't know the answer. these are questions for everyone. allto americans, we have roots around the world. but to say who are you? where are you from? it's shaky. >> i want to talk about the h lessons i learned from the souta african controversy and experience. it's about how taking sides blinds you to the truth. the united states was against the african national congress r,
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because they were backed by the ussr and the united states being anticommunist that's the right team but, the wrong choice. like wise nelson mandela made the same mistake.la he embraced countries like iran and cuba and gadhafi people because he misidentified them ad comrades when, in fact, it should have been the people in those countries that he identified with because there were people under the thumb of gadhafi and other nondemocratic countries. so one thing you learn is how ideology can blind you to very t important facts. it blinded me in the 80s and i m didn't paymu attention to what s going on in south africa. all i knew is they were being backed by communists and you a learned that even though that's true, south africa was wrong. secondly, quickly, if you feel really strongly about this man,s you can still act.au because there's plenty of peoplo around the world that were under
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f evil and there's a n lot of celebrities who don't care. aays there's women still being circumcised in africa.g there's christians being lo persecuted. the time is right for a lot of new mandelas. >> i like that. that might be my favorite comment so far. >> also just a quick thought and i don't have as much knowledge one nelson mandela as the rest f you. i'll say a man with a lot of passion, a lot of resolve, a lot of principle. lot not necessarily agree with a lop of the things he stood for. so we'll say rest in peace. it's a nice outreach, president and mrs. obama reached out to thean bushes and the bushes wil be joining the president on airi forceng one to go to the memorio services next week. interesting. >> appropriate respectin and e. tribute.ck >> i have a quick response to o
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greg. it is true they embraced these people. the united states held off sanctions. ronald reagan tonighted to veto sanctions and, in fact, reagan had to be overridden by the congress in order to get those sanctions put in place. >> that's my point, though. >> i understand. i appreciate that. one past point here, the clerk a that also won the nobel peace prize with mandela did an awful lot to help mandela pave the way. do you think that's a fair statement? >> yeah, i really do. remember they have a unity k government. mandela is the firstmber, they government. mandela is the first elected president of multiracial south africa. he makes the clerk his deputy president so there's a clear sign to the country, this is about reconciliation, moving forward. this is not about recriminations and bitterness. that's the inspiring part. inagree with you, bob. some of those countries,
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communists or whatever, were the few countries willing to support a nelson mandela. you know what is the key, afterwards, he says no to violence and no to the communists. >> we want to thank you for being with us tonight and sharing those reflections.in coming up, bob was down at his g house in d.c. last weekend putting up his christmas lights. we're not sure how hard he actually worked. inting up his christmas lights. we're not sure how hard he actually worked. don't miss the annual christmas light show. bob is very excited. we have a special package for you and it's coming up on "the five." d. we've got a special package for you and it's coming up. [ grunts softly ]
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♪ always believe in your soul ♪ you've got the power to know welcome back to "the okay. president obama claims incoming equality threatens the american
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dream. >> there's a dangerous in growing inequality that has jeopardized middle class america's basic bargain that if you work hard you have a chance to get ahead. i believe this is the defining challenge of our time. making sure the economy works for every working american. that's why i ran for president. it was the center of last year's campaign. it's everything i do in this office. >> so how has the economy done since he has been in office? the top 1% incomes are up 41.4%. the bottom 99% grew only 4% between 2009 and 2012. the top 1% irned 19.3 of all household incomes. their largest share since 1927. we're going to have a debate right here coming up between bob and eric. i can feel it coming. >> with that lead of yours.
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>> what was wrong with the top of that lead? >> that was a lot of crap. because the rich people got their tax breaks they finally got them put back in. rich people were getting big tax breaks. >> let me ask you this question. >> they're not is what you're trying to say? >> they took the tax breaks away. >> how do you explain the top 1% is outpacing by seven times -- >> how many years during obama's term did they have exactly what this is? >> believe it or not, president obama is wrong. he has widened the income gap but in a good way, bob. in a good way. one percentage going up 34% and 99% going up 4% and that's a good thing. incoming equality is a misnomer. if the rising tide is raising all boats that's a great thing. >> how can you say in 15 years the top 1% increase in income
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and the middle class, the same 15 years is 40%. do you think that's equal? >> he's saying it's going up. the numbers are rising up. >> i'm saying it's better for everyone when this happens. >> the rich people get richer. >> and the poor people get richer. >> let me get greg in here first. >> this argument about wealth or income inequality is bogus because it's not about class or income, it's about age. the population is getting older. a 65-year-old has 15 times the wealth as somebody under 35. how does that happen? because as you get older you make more money. i am 49 and i make a lot more money than i did when i was 19. that's how it works. that's why at 19 you work at mcdonald's and then you work at fox news. it's quite a leap. i give you that -- >> is it, really? >> but president obama is
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telling a big fib saying this is the republicans fault. it's the inevidetability of an aging population. >> i want to point out -- it's age. it's only age. >> it's a good point. >> we shouldn't even be talking about it. >> let's listen to president obama on that. >> i actually think there's a lot of republicans that won't to get stepped on. they have to be embarrassed because they have now been in charge of the house of representatives, one branch of government for a couple of years now and they don't have a lot to show for it. >> that's hilarious when you -- bob, this is about republicans. about republicans, yes. yes, bob, obviously he said republicans should be embarrassed. but the thing that i find curious about that is of course
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the republicans only control one branch of -- one house of the congress. so you can't get harry reid to pass anything, that's simple math. when he says there's no accomplishment. if the president says he will veto everything, then, yes, you can't -- >> show me the great things they pass. just the house. fighting obama every step of the way. >> that's what they're there for. >> let's get down to what mr. mcconnell said, the republican's party whole deal is to beat obama or level him. >> liberals hold on to their talking point about how that is their saving grace. when the facts are pointed out about how that was said and when it was said it doesn't hold up. one more thing from president balm when he thinks the media comes up with the rhetoric and not him. >> the american people are good and descent and sometimes we get very divided.
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partly because our politics and our media specifically tries to divide them. >> he's been the great uniter, right? >> who did he mean when he was talking about the media? blame fox news. blame it on the rain. keep making excuses. he had the most control in terms of partisan politics and he had the ability to put stuff through. what has he done with it? >> bob, how can you deny that. >> there's a bunch of people that don't want to do anything obama wanted to do. >> they were right on obamacare. >> they were not right. >> by the way, did we mention in our segment that unemployment is down to 7%. >> the third quarter growth is up 7.6. it's the costoloest in seven years. do you know why it's 7%?
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>> tell me why. >> 11 million people now since the day president obama raised his right hand and said i do, i'll take the oath of office, 11 million americans left the work force and said i can't get a job. if you put them back into the number it's around 10 or 11%. >> where do you get the number 11 million people? >> from the numbers released today, bob. >> 91 million americans are not working. >> it's the costoloest -- lowest rate. >> you have obama condemning inequality after running the country for five years. that's like a citizen complaining of graffiti as he hold ace can of spray paint. >> added 20,000 jobs and construction added 30 jobs. >> this month under president obama and these are also at the
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bls.gov. go right there. 75% of all the jobs that president obama created -- he created 1.8 million jobs, 75% of those, part time. >> you keep saying he created those jobs. i keep saying his job creation started when he issued the stimulus. >> but the stimulus was a total bust on jobs and they even admit that. >> it was a total boss when we inherited 700 a month from the bush administration. >> what has he been able to accomplish when he was in office? >> he has to personal responsibility. >> but the stimulus dollars, the government statistics. >> it keeps us from a depression. >> the real wealth gap is in d.c. d.c. versus the rest of the united states. the wealth gap is so large michael moore could waddle through it. >> the administration wants to take credit for the stock market but not the income inequality that has gotten worse under his
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administration. >> how is that, bob? >> income inequality has been growing for 20 years. it's not any one president's fault. >> the fact of the matter is, yes, it's gotten worse and moves on to the next person. >> do you realize how ridiculous that is. >> 500%. >> you're so worried about the 1% you're not worried about the 99% doing better over the last four years. >> inequality is called inequality -- >> very familiar with income inequality but the problems is liberals that are so mad at the 1% will not take the win with the 99%. >> i can't breathe. >> can i just compliment president obama he has done something that no other republican has done in six years, help elect a republican president. >> horray. >> the chances of that happening
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are -- >> i don't know. we're going to have more fun. the next topic, rand paul thinks he can save the bankruptcy city of detroit with conservative economics. we'll hear part of the interview next and this song came to me in a dream this morning. i haven't been able to get it out of my head all day. so now, from my head to yours. morning and i haven't been able to get it out of my head. now from my head to yours. ♪ if you
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♪ . welcome back everybody. senator rand paul brought his conservative message of economic opportunity to the largest city in american history to declare bankruptcy, detroit. the senator unveiled his plan declaring detriot the economic freedom zone which includes a flat and low tax, a scaled back
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epa and outreach to the community. i sat down with senator paul and asked him if politicians on both sides of the aisle were doing enough. >> five years of obama economic policies lead to very high elevated unemployment in the black community. and, frankly, the republicans are perceived as not caring about minorities. what's your plan? >> we're going to compete, the republican party as soon as i'm concerned should compete for every voter in every city and every state and i think we do that by bringing our message to the people and this is a message of economic empowerment. it's also a message of school choice. if you want to get ahead in our country it's through education and so many people in our big cities, often minorities are shortchanged by a bad school system. we want to make it better through competition by giving every kid the choice. >> so, one of his plans was a
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flat tax. 5% for income and in some -- no capital gains, et cetera. so he is looking at a low income tax area. >> of course he is but this is such a great idea. it's a perfect application and test case to see how this could work and show the country that these are economic principles that could be applied uniformly to create jobs, economic prosperity and to help bring everybody up, bob. you have to be courageous and try to get your message across to convey the ideas and it takes someone to make it happen. >> it's already bankrupt, right? >> what do you have to lose? at least he's coming up with something. it's not writing off detroit. >> rgb? >> i want to give paul credit for a couple of things. he went to howard university and spoke to black students when no republican was willing to go and do that. that showed a lot of courage. >> these are the kind of ideas. whether i agree with them or
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not, he didn't mention he is going to allow imgranlts to come in -- i better be careful here. >> no, relax. >> keep going bob. >> it's going so well so far. >> stand down, bob. >> i want to congratulate you on getting on your show. i was on your show last week and you bgot the top rated show. >> okay. >> we'll see how i do against paul. >> bob can make things happen. do you think that his plan is not only economic but it's also educati education. it's socioeconomic. >> on the epa stuff i can see from a messaging standpoint you have to be careful because moms hear dirty water, dirty air, my kids aren't going to be protected. they have to be careful with a mess angels like that. i think that kentucky has a lot of problems. probably could use some attention right now and they would love his attention but i
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think that he is setting himself up for possibly bigger office in the future and this is something that is bold and courageous. >> exactly right. >> it's one of the first outreaches by a gop. a conservative to the african american community. >> detroit had to be interested in having problem solvers. they haven't been interested in solving these problems for decades. if tax breaks help revitalize a city, what does that tell you? tax increases and increase regulations strangle a city and makes it impossible for it to grow. detroit is rock bottomless. if there's something you can kweez sk squeeze out of that city, you're going to do it. it's time for them to get out and let the republicans have a shot. >> all democrats there were not -- there were a lot of them -- >> they're all in jail, bob. >> if this works and i pray it
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does work, i'd be willing to say, you're right. low taxes and low regulations help but i'll be the first one to say it. it's a good idea for democrats to stand back and not criticize this right away and say what's our other choice here? >> the republican obama care. >> the free trade zones in texas. >> very quickly, kimberly, there's a bunch of other cities, in fact, the state -- the whole state of illinois is probably in worst shape than the city of detroit. >> that's why i think this is a great platform. it does show he has higher aspirations but i like a man of idea and vision and purpose. you have to be bold and have fresh ideas like this to be able to attract attention and generate interest. >> be sure and catch the rest of my interview with senator rand paul on cashing in. next, a new york city politician helps the knockout games are happening partly because african americans are frustrated with jewish people. >> and kim kardashian's charity
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scandal. she is taking flak for an auction she held after the deadly typhoon in the philippines. that story directly ahead on "the five."
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♪ strange days ♪ my my welcome to another episode of welcome to another episode. on tuesday, the new york city counsel woman elect posted a letter leaking resentment over their jewish neighbors. many african american caribbean residents expressed a genuine concern that as the jewish community continues to grow they would be pushed out by land lords or family. while i personally regard this level of tenacity i also recognize that for others these
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accomplishments trigger feelings of resentment. so success of one group leads to resentment in others and then violence. it's happened before. ask a jew. i credit the honesty but causing it genuine can't help. in america we destroy such envy through opportunity. instead of hurting someone for doing good, you do better. the problem is we live in a time that mocked such thinking. from school to tv to music we're told success by others coming at a cost to you. this could be resisted with strong families and communities which she compliments the jews for. what her citizens resent is actually what prevents resentment. she probably can't come out and say do what the jews do because unlike blaming the jews, that would be racist. bob, i read the whole letter, so did you. she is very sincere.
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it's a thoughtful letter. she condemns the violence. she preaches zero tolerance against the knockout things or whatever you want to call this. so there is the level of it may not be your community -- >> one of the things that bothers me and aye had the discussion with jesse jackson many times, it was the jewish community that funded the civil rights movement. it was the jews that understood the plight of people in chains and they were willing to put their money behind it and bodies behind it. then when the jews came into neighborhoods and bought the corner store and made it viable and i remember talking to jackson and we had a loud conversation he said, look, i'm on the corner store and i said why doesn't a black person buy the corner store? what's wrong? but the idea of saying it's because the jews have been successful is because the jews help identify with blacks.
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those are the two groups i always looked at together and now to hear this again, it's been resinating for several years is sad. >> i think she meant well and maybe she was trying to head off a bigger problem within her community that it might get worse and she was trying to stop it and maybe she made some mistakes. >> i think she was probably in her own mind well intentioned but she was inartful in the way she expressed it. the larger picture is to really just focus on ending the violence and working with the police and community policing to create awareness and not foster any kind of hostility. unfortunately what she did kind of backfired. i'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt but that's not going to help the situation. neighborhoods are always evolving and changing and that's what happens. you're not going to be able to stop it. don't try and pit one group against the other. >> but i mean, what if she is right? what if it is resentment. at least she has the guts to say it maybe. >> i guess but saying it doesn't
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condone it. >> it doesn't give the implication that it's okay. there's the reason for the resentment which, by the way, there is a resentment. let's call it what it is. the jewish community and the black community for some reason has major resentment for each other. i don't know if it's that -- it seems petty to say because they put a corner store up and they should be resented for it. i don't know. it may go deeper than that. i have no idea, though. >> didn't she say something about not secuming to american culture. >> i can read this but this stood out to me, i am particularly inspired by the fact that the jewish community has not asimulated to the dominant american culture. what's so wrong with american culture? the great thing about dominant american culture is its a
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melting pot of all sorts of different things. >> bob is a melting culture. >> they're yelling at me. coming up, the moment you have all been waiting for. bob's annual light show outside washington d.c. he has his home all ready. one last time. it sounds so grim. one last time. for santa claus to come to bob's house. >> here we go. help the local economy. buy more lights all from china. another christmas. a lot more money. >> the beckle christmas spectacular is next. the christmas spectacular is next.
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everybody ready? ready? 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 [ music playing ] >> that guy? >> lighting the national christmas tree moments ago. many of you know christmas is my favorite time of year. i have been putting lights up around the d.c. area and the homes i own there for 20 years
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now but this will be my last time in the d.c. area doing a house. i'm going to be in manhattan decorating my apartment. it was bittersweet and our cameras were there to capture it. another day. another christmas. >> 20 something years now. i don't suppose i'll miss all of the work that goes into it. but i know the kids will miss it. that makes me feel real bad. but it is a little sad. >> i bought enough christmas tree lights to wire manhattan. >> they make these things so they can be absolutely sure that by the time you get to next christmas season they're all broken. >> and every year i got to go to the store. >> why would they build anything
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that will last? if they did that they wouldn't be able to sell you everything every year. >> here we go. help the local economy. buy more lights. all from china. another christmas, a lot more money. >> got my young son to help her. >> this is what it's all ant. this display is for all the kids
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in brookmont which is my neighborho neighborhood from the big kid that lives here. >> what do you think? do you like it? very twinkley. a dog and reindeers and -- >> you did a great job. and santa is way up on the roof waving ♪ oh come all ye faithful >> well, here we go. this is the end product of a lot of work and we're going to see if this thing will come on. this is the last one we're going to do here in brookmont. in fact, the last one i'm going to do at a house. we're going to try this, 3, 2, whoa. it worked. from you go. by golly.
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another year, another house. last time. thank you. >> yay. >> that was a great job. that was the best one. >> that was really nice. >> not yet. expensive, right? all the electricity? >> yeah, except you notice my neighbor next to me, talking about jewish people, they are and they leave for december so i plug in the outlets. i wanted to put a sign up there that says this one is for you pepco. that's the electric. >> you have to make it about jasper. >> do your neighbors like you, bob? >> no, because once that thing lights everybody starts driving down and they can't park their
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cars which is too bad because i'm leaving anyway. >> that looks like the rabbit they have at union protests. >> christmas spirit, bob. christmas spirit. >> all right. one more thing is up next. >> susan did that. >> she did. >> she did a great job.
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it's time now for one more thing. we begin now --
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>> as we should. the u.s. air force band surprised museum goers at the air and space museum in washington d.c. they wanted to promote their 29 holiday shows. so i think that we have a thought here in just a second that we're going to toss to -- take a look at this. >> wait, how long -- the expressions on the museum goers faces were just great. icon garage late t icon -- i congratulate them of the first photo bombing. >> i was just putting the menora away. >> you have so many jobs at fox news. it's unbelievable. >> are you ready? >> i got one more thing he would have really loved. this is a huge ncaa football
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college weekend championship weekend. number one florida state versus duke number 20. favored florida state. this one, osu against michigan state. look for osu in the big one. this is going to be the best game of the weekend. auburn against missouri. >> do you need my predictions on that? in case your placing any bets? >> greg. >> look at this. a not cool cozie. >> buy my book. >> are you selling those? >> a couple of days ago i banned close proximity and i said replace it with nearby. turns out nearby is really close proximity. instead of using nearby use near or by. >> or close. >> close is good and i'm on o'reilly at 8:00. >> you have become that guy that is selling cozies on your
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website. >> check them out. >> save us. >> you know, my favorite person, kim kardashian, she had an auction on ebay for the people that were suffering by the hundreds of thousands in the philippines and the typhoon. so she auctioned off all of this material. do you know how much ended up going to the victims? 10%. and she made a profit on it. nice to offer it up but next time, you're worth $40 million, why don't you give it all to them. >> she has enough money. this is celebrity revenge. gwyneth paltrow went on a massive campaign e-mailing her friend celebrities to boycott vanity fair party or the whole deal. now radar online is saying they have turned soft and it's a nice little puff piece. >> no. >> it would never, never
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happen -- >> sure it would. >> she is hollywood elite. don't forget to set your dvrs so you never miss an episode. special record is next. elbow. hello. hinks he'll interview me but i'm interviewing him. tweet me your questions. welcome to "hannity." tonight right here on this program we have been telling you for years that the president's health care law needs to be repealed and replaced. now a majority of americans agree with us according to a newly released gallup poll. 52% say they favor repealing or scaling back obama care. only 37% said it should be kept the way it is or expanded. that's not only the troubling news we have to share on a conference call with reporters today a cms spokesman said on health care.gov one of every ten transactions is experiencing errors. also according to politico thgs